What Small mig?

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Russell

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I will be needing a new mig soon. I would only be using it for stuff up to 3mm but really want it for car body work so 1mm or less. Can anyone recommend a nice little mig that's small as possible and not too dear?
 
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Steve

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If buying on a budget I would buy an industrial spec second hand machine over a new diy type. Things to look for are decent duty cycle & something with either infinitely variable voltage settings or at least a machine with several voltage settings as opposed to the diy type which seem to have only a couple settings. I would definitely be going for a mig that uses gas as well, I am sure flux core wire has it's uses I just haven't found them yet.
 
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Russell

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I would like gas as I found gasless to spit a lot and make a lot of slag in the weld. I would really like something small and easily portable like my inverter arc welder.
 
doobin

doobin

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Just bought an RTech 180 to compliment my 250 from same brand. Really nice machine. Would highly recommend rtech.
Gas less mig is pointless. It’s not even mig- it’s an auto feeding arc welder really.

I bought it to have a more portable set, and whilst it’s three times the size and weight of my small arc I really don’t think you’d find smaller migs.
 
Quattromike

Quattromike

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We bought a jasic last year and works really well
 
V8Druid

V8Druid

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I will be needing a new mig soon. I would only be using it for stuff up to 3mm but really want it for car body work so 1mm or less. Can anyone recommend a nice little mig that's small as possible and not too dear?
what's your budget and can you define "small as possible ".??.. physically small or just light/compact enough to be relatively easily portable - like boot of a car ?

spending too little on a MIG is a huge mistake you WILL live to regret .... have used all sorts of cheap s**t migs of other people's, over the years, trying to get them to perform for them .... and you can not make a silk purse from a sow's ear ... end of .... you get what you pay for .. buy cheap - get cheap crap
what is the MIG you are replacing??
and buy one with a Euro-connector for the torch ... fixed torch is a PITFA ... especially when the torch dies
 
doobin

doobin

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Yup. Euro torch all the way. I specced an ungraded torch on my latest welder- a Binzel MB15 with a 4m lead and it's a joy to use.
 
V8Druid

V8Druid

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Yup. Euro torch all the way. I specced an ungraded torch on my latest welder- a Binzel MB15 with a 4m lead and it's a joy to use.
yep ... MB15's a nice thing in the hand Doob (y)(y)
 
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Russell

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I would like to spend as little as possible without buying rubbish i suppose. My last mig was a Clarke 150 but for my next I would like one with a dial for adjusting the power. I would also like one that is as small and light as possible to make shifting it about easier. I think I'll probably get the r Tec one as doobin seams to rate them and the sales bloke was helpful when I bought the arc welder. Also it's £500.
 
jd6820

jd6820

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Kemppi MiniArcMig, ESAB caddy, Jasic 160-200 Mig or Miller MPI220 would be my choices. Each is a different price category of machine. Depending on your budget these are all great machines...
 
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Smiffy

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Phone up r tech and deal with them over the phone there really good and often give a few extra consumables or something with a telephone sale
 
Bri963

Bri963

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Tradesmig if they are still about. Think they’re BOC Murex. Easy to set up, good drive mechanism, very light torch.
 
Quattromike

Quattromike

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Just make sure when your comparing prices that they all include the torch and earth lead and gas hose and gauges and the like.
 
V8Druid

V8Druid

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Just make sure when your comparing prices that they all include the torch and earth lead and gas hose and gauges and the like.
and it's a decent euro connect torch

Tradesmig if they are still about. Think they’re BOC Murex. Easy to set up, good drive mechanism, very light torch.
yes BOC Murex ... good sets, but'd have to be s/hand in the budget .. the smallest had a fixed torch though

Kemppi MiniArcMig, ESAB caddy, Jasic 160-200 Mig or Miller MPI220 would be my choices. Each is a different price category of machine. Depending on your budget these are all great machines...
Esab will take some beating TBH

I would like to spend as little as possible without buying rubbish i suppose. My last mig was a Clarke 150 but for my next I would like one with a dial for adjusting the power. I would also like one that is as small and light as possible to make shifting it about easier. I think I'll probably get the r Tec one as doobin seams to rate them and the sales bloke was helpful when I bought the arc welder. Also it's £500.
basically a re-badged Cebora, as are a lot of the lower price range sets ... poor duty cycles ... fine for welding body work but struggle on much over 2-3mm unless you spray 0.6 wire, which gets expensive

try and find something that'll handle 15kg rolls too ...... the little rolls are a bloody dear way of buying wire .. but keep your rolls somewhere dry and warm when not in use or you'll bin more than you use
 
doobin

doobin

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Anything that will handle a 15kg roll will not fulfil his criteria of ‘as portable as possible’. It’s why I’ve bought the 180 as well as the 250.
Heading to the yard now, I’ll try to remember to take a photo of them side by side.
 
doobin

doobin

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Not the best photo for scale but f***ed if I was gonna hold it up AND take a photo! Use the dials and leads as a gauge, it's quite a bit smaller. Threading the wire onto the rollers from the 5kg roll is very fiddly, definitely no wasted space there.

The smaller machine (180) has a duty cycle of 35% at full whack or 60% at 150amps. So welding 3mm steel max, you won't suffer in the slightest from a lack of duty cycle.

The larger machine is 60% duty cycle at 200 amps- this is where it spends most of it's time with me and it's not overheated once despite heavy use.

I think you would love the R-tech Mig180, but phone them up and spec the genuine Binzel torch(about twenty quid extra). Though stick with 3m if you are going to be runnign mainly 6mm wire. You can also get a years free finance on the lot- I do it all the time to build my credit rating and because they don't discount for straight sales so may as well!! If you are thinking about welding ally in the future they do a spool on gun too which gets good reviews. Some videos on eBay of the 180 with spool gun doing nice welds on 6mm ally, and nowhere near it's limits.

Anbother point on the 15kg roll front- not often I disagree with Druid but .6mm on a 15kg roll is just plain silly. Bugger all saving unless you were to use a roll a month. You'll barely be using it, if the top layer goes rusty then 5kg roll is easier to remove the top layer from or replace altogether. Also much easier to swap over to .8 for larger gear. Main thing though is a 5kg machine will by it's very nature be much more portable- 10kg lighter off the bat and a heck of a space saving.

If you're ever on the mainland for a jaunt pop by and have a play mate.
 
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V8Druid

V8Druid

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agree with you on the 15kg rolls Doob .... as far as portability is concerned .... but by far the cheapest way of buying wire ... just look after it ;)
 
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