Tracked mini dumper

[RavedenBrook]

Newbie post here...

Wondered if anyone had any recommendations on tracked mini dumpers?

Will be initially required for upcoming self build project. Plot with sloping paths / poor access width and weight restrictions / some trees around

Electric would be ideal – long term want to keep sound pollution down for neighbours as will potentially get quite a bit of use post-project ferrying materials / logs etc around garden (which has quite a few narrow ~1m wide paths between old brick greenhouse bases)

The only two I can find that fit that brief are the Lumag 450E and the Titan Pro Mule TPM250E. But can't find much info or reviews on either of these machines online anywhere.

Hopefully this is the right place to ask. Any thoughts or other recommendations would be much appreciated. Thanks in advance.

 

[Steve]

Cormidi does a c85 in an electric version in standard & high tip.

 

[Russell]

messersi do an electric dumper.

 

[Stroppymonkey]

Mucktruck do an electric version... although thats not tracked, but might be more suitable for a post project tool.

 

[RavedenBrook]

Thanks all. I suspect the Cormidi and Messersi's are above our budget...

The Lumag and Titan Pro I mentioned are I suppose in the hobbyist market at around £2.5k. Similar to the petrol Muck Trucks. Just wondered if anyone had experience of these, or similar (I noticed on past threads some of the petrol Lumag dumpers were mentioned)

Hyundai also do an electric HYMD500B (not tracked)

Had been recommended tracked due to sloping site, but perhaps not so essential?

 

[doobin]

Choice of wheels or tracks depends more upon the ground than the slope. Wheeled models would work fine on sloping ground if it’s hardcore or concrete underneath, for example.

I’d probably go tracked based upon what you describe though. I had a customer who was looking at these models, I’ll ask him if he bought one in the end.

 

[doobin]

Choice of wheels or tracks depends more upon the ground than the slope. Wheeled models would work fine on sloping ground if it’s hardcore or concrete underneath, for example.

I’d probably go tracked based upon what you describe though. I had a customer who was looking at these models, I’ll ask him if he bought one in the end.

Ok, so he bought the Titan Pro.

“I used it for really heavy work and I found the build quality lacking… powder coat is too thin, base metal too thin and isn’t glav, controls are easy to break… but this using it totally outside of its intended scope.

Support was ok when things did break, there wasn’t anywhere it wouldn’t go and I could use it for a full day on one charge.

The thing would move a full solid payload of bricks without noticing.

Overall it saved my life on the build as I could use it all day long without upsetting anyone.”

 

[V8Druid]

Thanks all. I suspect the Cormidi and Messersi's are above our budget...

The Lumag and Titan Pro I mentioned are I suppose in the hobbyist market at around £2.5k. Similar to the petrol Muck Trucks. Just wondered if anyone had experience of these, or similar (I noticed on past threads some of the petrol Lumag dumpers were mentioned)

Hyundai also do an electric HYMD500B (not tracked)

Had been recommended tracked due to sloping site, but perhaps not so essential?

just looked at both and appear to be virtually the same generic Ying Tong unit ..... Titan's body has more adaptability, couple of hundred quid cheaper, otherwise pretty much the Lumag in red ..... wonder what batteries they use and what their run time/life is like
nice and quiet in use which is OK as long as they'll stick the pace for what you need ..... can't see them doing a day's work, without stopping/running out of 'go', unlike their ICE bro.s on a couple of litres of motion lotion though

 

[V8Druid]

just looked at both and appear to be virtually the same generic Ying Tong unit ..... Titan's body has more adaptability, couple of hundred quid cheaper, otherwise pretty much the Lumag in red ..... wonder what batteries they use and what their run time/life is like
nice and quiet in use which is OK as long as they'll stick the pace for what you need ..... can't see them doing a day's work, without stopping/running out of 'go', unlike their ICE bro.s on a couple of litres of motion lotion though

well Doob's mate just answered most of that

 

[V8Druid]

Ok, so he bought the Titan Pro.

“I used it for really heavy work and I found the build quality lacking… powder coat is too thin, base metal too thin and isn’t glav, controls are easy to break… but this using it totally outside of its intended scope.

Support was ok when things did break, there wasn’t anywhere it wouldn’t go and I could use it for a full day on one charge.

The thing would move a full solid payload of bricks without noticing.

Overall it saved my life on the build as I could use it all day long without upsetting anyone.”

wonder if all day long was continuous or 8 or 9 times a day, back and fore for 5-10 minutes ??

 

[RavedenBrook]

Many thanks both @doobin and @V8Druid – that's really helpful.

The official line from Titan re: battery is 1.5 to 2hrs continuous use from a full charge.

 

[V8Druid]

Many thanks both @doobin and @V8Druid – that's really helpful.

The official line from Titan re: battery is 1.5 to 2hrs continuous use from a full charge.

that's not a lot ..... if you have a big gardy, it wouldn't take long to flatten that at the wrong end of the trek.
personally, looking at them both, I'd be inclined towards the Titan, purely on the body's adaptability - they appear to be the same chassis/carrier, with differing bodies
Ross who runs this site/forum used to be a Lumag retailer, 'til he couldn't compete with their own website in the UK and always spoke reasonably well of their product, all be it having a vested interest, but the guy is pretty shrewd/canny about what he sells, so they can't've been too bad. My only personal experience is with one of their petrol augers and I'm more than happy with that
But I'd still go Titan, based purely on the body's adaptability ... as said - carriers look identical

 

[doobin]

Many thanks both @doobin and @V8Druid – that's really helpful.

The official line from Titan re: battery is 1.5 to 2hrs continuous use from a full charge.

See below re battery life

 

[groundworker]

How big is the self build? You will be there for a long time digging footings with a tiny dumper like that.

I would be tempted to hire a 1ton payload machine (eg Slanetrac HT1000, I rate mine) for the bulk shift and buy the electric one for pottering about after.

If runtime is an issue on the electric models you could always buy additional batteries?

 

[RavedenBrook]

that's not a lot ..... if you have a big gardy, it wouldn't take long to flatten that at the wrong end of the trek.
personally, looking at them both, I'd be inclined towards the Titan, purely on the body's adaptability - they appear to be the same chassis/carrier, with differing bodies
Ross who runs this site/forum used to be a Lumag retailer, 'til he couldn't compete with their own website in the UK and always spoke reasonably well of their product, all be it having a vested interest, but the guy is pretty shrewd/canny about what he sells, so they can't've been too bad. My only personal experience is with one of their petrol augers and I'm more than happy with that
But I'd still go Titan, based purely on the body's adaptability ... as said - carriers look identical

Thanks for this. I did notice Lumags were no longer listed on the Sandhill site, that makes sense.

Interesting info in @doobin 's latest post re: battery life being much better than expected.

Agreed, I think the adaptability of the body of the Titan would be a big plus for us.

 

[RavedenBrook]

How big is the self build? You will be there for a long time digging footings with a tiny dumper like that.

I would be tempted to hire a 1ton payload machine (eg Slanetrac HT1000, I rate mine) for the bulk shift and buy the electric one for pottering about after.

If runtime is an issue on the electric models you could always buy additional batteries?

Good advice. Pretty sure we will have a more substantial machine on site during groundworks, so the electric mini dumper would be in addition to that, as pretty sure it'll come in useful during and afterwards.

Additional batteries a good shout too!

 

[RavedenBrook]

See below re battery life

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This is a great reference thanks. Seems given the price point that it's a good option.

It'd probably pay for itself relatively quickly for us, but out of interest, do you know how long he's had it? If so, is it still running? I think they've been available for three or four years.

 

[V8Druid]

Thanks for this. I did notice Lumags were no longer listed on the Sandhill site, that makes sense.

Interesting info in @doobin 's latest post re: battery life being much better than expected.

Agreed, I think the adaptability of the body of the Titan would be a big plus for us.

both body styles have down sides ... the Titan's are not drop side/tail, but slide out and create a full flat bed also ... the Lumag's are drop side/tail, but the posts look to be fixed so no flat bed option, short of cutting them off and creating a drop in system for them
swings and roundabouts

 

[doobin]

This is a great reference thanks. Seems given the price point that it's a good option.

It'd probably pay for itself relatively quickly for us, but out of interest, do you know how long he's had it? If so, is it still running? I think they've been available for three or four years.

He must have had it a year or so.

 

[Brendan]

Better off hiring a proper diesel/petrol, hi tip tracked dumper, when your doing the bulk work, can't see those electric ones with a 2hr max runtime being up to the task, especially with a 6-8 hour charge time.

If your doing alot of digging work or bulk removal for your project if you need to load a skip those dumpers in the original post won't be of any use.

likewise won't be much use for stockpiling for a grab either, as the low ground clearance when tipping means you'll need to build a ramp up as you stockpile the material which then brings the biggest issue of once it's on an incline you won't be able to tip a full load as they look like manual tip.

For moving the odd bit of stuff around they are probably great but you can hire a proper diesel/petrol hi tip for less than £200 a week