Lewis Badger Hydraulics.

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Badgerman

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After purchasing a non running 2005 Lewis Badger 2 with usual hydrostatic transmission problems I took it on myself to work out the ins and outs of this pain in the arse drive! Mainly cos the quotes for having a look at it were ridiculous! So im sorry it may be long winded, I have now a full breakdown of the Badger hydraulics I now share, I hope it helps someone in the future.
1 Low pressure loop. Starting at the charge pump, A hose runs to the steering motor and onto the back of the machine to the backhoe spool, Note the backhoe spool has a 172 Bar pressure relief valve in it accessed from underneath the rear top slide rail. The loop then runs to the front loader spool in the cab, After the loop runs to the oil cooler and then on to a port on the oil filter in the tank. On the other side of the filter the loop continues to the front main pump, Hose at the bottom just behind the 2 large closed loop pipes. Pressure testing for the low pressure loop can be done at the tee on the exit of charge pump and the port at entry into the main pump. The security valve at the front of the machine laying on the chassis is powered by a switch on the handbrake and seat, Normally open valve connected to main pump, So no power to valve then no drive! To note if you have the 3 port jack hammer accessory on the back, This is inline between the steering motor and the back spool, Inlet and one side to jack hammer, Other side to oil tank, I assume if working at back with hammer and something goes wrong you can dump pressure direct to the tank.
2. Closed loop, Fairly self explanatory! Front pump directional swash plate connected to the motor directional swash plate for forward and reverse. 2 large hoses at bottom of pump to sides of the drive motor A port to A port and B port to B port. Bleeding may be needed to be done every now and then by cracking open the 2 rear ports on the motor! If major work is done on the main pump or a large hose is changed, Refill loop by raising front of machine and undo the 2 32mm caps at the front top of the main pump, Remove spring and pistons and refill both sides.
3. 4WD hydraulic circuit, A prime culprit if everything else such as loader, backhoe and steering are working! A small hose on top of the main pump runs to a tee piece situated on top of the 4WD diverter valve, Situated just behind the steering motor, From the tee piece it continues to the motor. If this hose is faulty IT WILL NOT LEAK! This is a suction hose, It will suck in air! If faulty it will not drive and will be stuck in 4WD when started! This circuit keeps closed the relief valves in the motor to stop the closed circuit dumping fluid into the tank, Also controls flow in the diverter valve for drop box control. When running correctly this circuit can be pressure tested at the allen bolt just below the connection of the hose to the main pump, Should be 25 Bar.
I do hope this sheds some light on a good little machine for anyone who's got one and having problems! :):):)
 
doobin

doobin

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After purchasing a non running 2005 Lewis Badger 2 with usual hydrostatic transmission problems I took it on myself to work out the ins and outs of this pain in the arse drive! Mainly cos the quotes for having a look at it were ridiculous! So im sorry it may be long winded, I have now a full breakdown of the Badger hydraulics I now share, I hope it helps someone in the future.
1 Low pressure loop. Starting at the charge pump, A hose runs to the steering motor and onto the back of the machine to the backhoe spool, Note the backhoe spool has a 172 Bar pressure relief valve in it accessed from underneath the rear top slide rail. The loop then runs to the front loader spool in the cab, After the loop runs to the oil cooler and then on to a port on the oil filter in the tank. On the other side of the filter the loop continues to the front main pump, Hose at the bottom just behind the 2 large closed loop pipes. Pressure testing for the low pressure loop can be done at the tee on the exit of charge pump and the port at entry into the main pump. The security valve at the front of the machine laying on the chassis is powered by a switch on the handbrake and seat, Normally open valve connected to main pump, So no power to valve then no drive! To note if you have the 3 port jack hammer accessory on the back, This is inline between the steering motor and the back spool, Inlet and one side to jack hammer, Other side to oil tank, I assume if working at back with hammer and something goes wrong you can dump pressure direct to the tank.
2. Closed loop, Fairly self explanatory! Front pump directional swash plate connected to the motor directional swash plate for forward and reverse. 2 large hoses at bottom of pump to sides of the drive motor A port to A port and B port to B port. Bleeding may be needed to be done every now and then by cracking open the 2 rear ports on the motor! If major work is done on the main pump or a large hose is changed, Refill loop by raising front of machine and undo the 2 32mm caps at the front top of the main pump, Remove spring and pistons and refill both sides.
3. 4WD hydraulic circuit, A prime culprit if everything else such as loader, backhoe and steering are working! A small hose on top of the main pump runs to a tee piece situated on top of the 4WD diverter valve, Situated just behind the steering motor, From the tee piece it continues to the motor. If this hose is faulty IT WILL NOT LEAK! This is a suction hose, It will suck in air! If faulty it will not drive and will be stuck in 4WD when started! This circuit keeps closed the relief valves in the motor to stop the closed circuit dumping fluid into the tank, Also controls flow in the diverter valve for drop box control. When running correctly this circuit can be pressure tested at the allen bolt just below the connection of the hose to the main pump, Should be 25 Bar.
I do hope this sheds some light on a good little machine for anyone who's got one and having problems! :):):)
Brilliant mate, good fault finding! And thanks for posting. Nothign more annoying than people who ask for advice and then disappear. It's all about sharing the knowledge. (y)
 
Mick-the-fitter

Mick-the-fitter

It’s what I do!
We are here doing the job, the manufacturers certain one are couldn’t be more helpful, others just aren’t interested once they have sold you what they can, money is in the bank, it’s your problem! They aren’t keen if we pass around the knowledge, because they then have fitters sitting around.
 
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Badgerman

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Problem is Mick im in France, Fitters here havent a clue what a Badger is, After Lewis sold out cant get any info or parts! Now ive narrowed it down to a New Holland Fiat 35-66 DT steering and axles, Impossible for a wiring diagram, So totally rewired and in the process of producing one. Biggest problem now is sourcing a door glass! :cry:
 
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Badgerman

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Problem is Mick im in France, Fitters here havent a clue what a Badger is, After Lewis sold out cant get any info or parts! Now ive narrowed it down to a New Holland Fiat 35-66 DT steering and axles, Impossible for a wiring diagram, So totally rewired and in the process of producing one. Biggest problem now is sourcing a door glass! :cry:
Funny thing is when I contacted New Lewis over a year ago for a glass, They said it was a special order manufactured in France 535.00 gbp plus vat and p+p, I tried to find out the supplier but they wernt having it! Once I told them I was in France, They wanted to charge another 200 gbp + vat and I would have to pay the export tax at my end!. The average door glass here is 150-200 euro, Just got to work out what the cabs off of. :rolleyes:
 
Mick-the-fitter

Mick-the-fitter

It’s what I do!
Funny thing is when I contacted New Lewis over a year ago for a glass, They said it was a special order manufactured in France 535.00 gbp plus vat and p+p, I tried to find out the supplier but they wernt having it! Once I told them I was in France, They wanted to charge another 200 gbp + vat and I would have to pay the export tax at my end!. The average door glass here is 150-200 euro, Just got to work out what the cabs off of. :rolleyes:
All the glass is flat isn’t it? Can you not take measurements? I’m sure one of our uk glass boys could cut you one!🤷‍♂️
 
Mick-the-fitter

Mick-the-fitter

It’s what I do!
Problem is Mick im in France, Fitters here havent a clue what a Badger is, After Lewis sold out cant get any info or parts! Now ive narrowed it down to a New Holland Fiat 35-66 DT steering and axles, Impossible for a wiring diagram, So totally rewired and in the process of producing one. Biggest problem now is sourcing a door glass! :cry:
I used to look after a few expats in parts of France when I was self employed, if I ordered parts and service stuff over the year, then tie up with two of them and spread the labour, fuel and ferry costs it worked out ok. Go out on the first early ferry and catch the latest one back.
 
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Badgerman

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I used to look after a few expats in parts of France when I was self employed, if I ordered parts and service stuff over the year, then tie up with two of them and spread the labour, fuel and ferry costs it worked out ok. Go out on the first early ferry and catch the latest one back.
Yep I used to work in the UK during the week and return home to France at the weekends, Was no problem for parts! Now after Brexit it's totally stuffed things up!
 
V8Druid

V8Druid

do it as well as you can,but learn to do it better
Yep I used to work in the UK during the week and return home to France at the weekends, Was no problem for parts! Now after Brexit it's totally stuffed things up!
some commute :oops:
 
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bobthebuilder

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Problem is Mick im in France, Fitters here havent a clue what a Badger is, After Lewis sold out cant get any info or parts! Now ive narrowed it down to a New Holland Fiat 35-66 DT steering and axles, Impossible for a wiring diagram, So totally rewired and in the process of producing one. Biggest problem now is sourcing a door glass! :cry:
make a pattern and get it cut in laminated
 
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