Distance between bucket and blade

[blackhorse]

Hi,

Sorry for what is no doubt a very basic question, but could anyone tell me whether the minimum distance that a bucket can reach towards the blade is of any importance? I'm referring to the distance shown (hopefully) in the image I've added below. I've just viewed a mini excavator where that minimum distance is about 800mm, which my dad claims is too far as the bucket should be able to push up against the blade to help load the bucket up. Is that true?

Many thanks,

James

 

[doobin]

Not all clear up against the blade but it’s proper handy if they do.

800mm is masses though. Way too much working envelope lost. Any photos of the machine? Could be an oddball hitch or just a Chinese machine with s**t geometry! Got a link?

 

[blackhorse]

It was a Rhino 1.6tn - see the image below. I should have got a photo at the time of the demo but didn't think to.

 

[6feetdown]

It's a pain having to slew all the time if you can't.

 

[JD450A]

It was a Rhino 1.6tn - see the image below. I should have got a photo at the time of the demo but didn't think to.

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Is the cage on the front to keep the victim, sorry operator, from presumably realising they have purchased a lemon and jumping out the front into the path of it?

 

[blackhorse]

Is the cage on the front to keep the victim, sorry operator, from presumably realising they have purchased a lemon and jumping out the front into the path of it?

That would have been the first thing to come off!

Thanks, guys. On those comments alone it sounds like my old man is right and I should give it a miss. Much appreciate the input.

James.

 

[Storrsy]

That would have been the first thing to come off!

Thanks, guys. On those comments alone it sounds like my old man is right and I should give it a miss. Much appreciate the input.

James.

Alot of variations. Some machines have long dozer blades or dippers on the digger which improves it. I think zero tail swings generally not as good as the whole body of the digger is further forward on the undercarriage which limits bucket to blade clean up..

 

[doobin]

That would have been the first thing to come off!

Thanks, guys. On those comments alone it sounds like my old man is right and I should give it a miss. Much appreciate the input.

James.

Looks like I guessed right!

Avoid the Chinese tat. There is lots of secondhand mainstream kit around currently, what’s your budget?

 

[V8Druid]

incredibly short dipper ...... unless you wanted to fit a tilty

 

[blackhorse]

Looks like I guessed right!

Avoid the Chinese tat. There is lots of secondhand mainstream kit around currently, what’s your budget?

I'm looking at max £12k + vat. I'm going to be hiring one shortly (not sure what size yet) which will at least help me to understand how well it'll dig through our heavy clay soil when trenching. That'll likely inform my weight/size requirements. Most of the work I'll need it for will be trenching and digging foundations for outbuildings/extension, which some grading when creating a small parking area.

I'm keeping my eye on the second hand market, but part of my of concern with that approach is that if the engine goes bang after a week I'm stuffed. Any advice on avoiding that would be much appreciated. I've watched a few videos on what to look out for, but I'll no doubt not spot more nuanced issues that more experienced guys would notice.

 

[Storrsy]

I'm looking at max £12k + vat. I'm going to be hiring one shortly (not sure what size yet) which will at least help me to understand how well it'll dig through our heavy clay soil when trenching. That'll likely inform my weight/size requirements. Most of the work I'll need it for will be trenching and digging foundations for outbuildings/extension, which some grading when creating a small parking area.

I'm keeping my eye on the second hand market, but part of my of concern with that approach is that if the engine goes bang after a week I'm stuffed. Any advice on avoiding that would be much appreciated. I've watched a few videos on what to look out for, but I'll no doubt not spot more nuanced issues that more experienced guys would notice.

£12k is a pretty good budget for a decent used 1.7t machine. Especially a cabbed one. Honestly don't waste your money on that Chinese tat. That'll be far more likely to go bang than a decent used mainstream brand.

 

[doobin]

I'm looking at max £12k + vat. I'm going to be hiring one shortly (not sure what size yet) which will at least help me to understand how well it'll dig through our heavy clay soil when trenching. That'll likely inform my weight/size requirements. Most of the work I'll need it for will be trenching and digging foundations for outbuildings/extension, which some grading when creating a small parking area.

I'm keeping my eye on the second hand market, but part of my of concern with that approach is that if the engine goes bang after a week I'm stuffed. Any advice on avoiding that would be much appreciated. I've watched a few videos on what to look out for, but I'll no doubt not spot more nuanced issues that more experienced guys would notice.

As Matt says, that's an EXCELLENT budget in the current market.

A guy on arbtalk just bought a LuiGong 1.8t with cab and twin aux pipes for £14.5k. Yes it's Chinese but them, Sany and Sunward are the 'established' chinese players. You should be able to get a new (2024/2023 unsold stock ) canopy 1.8t model with 5 year warranty for £12k plus VAT in the current climate. Obviously the warranty is still a gamble in case they pull out of the UK market, but much less chance of that with Sany or LuiGong than the wanker Facebook barrow boys selling Rippa machines they just imported a container full of- you'll get zero backup from them.

Secondhand you'll just about be into a cabbed 2.7t at that money- 2015 ish Bobcat, Hyundai etc. Most will be well worn but they'll run all day. Or a very tidy mainstream brand with under 1000 hours on.

Where are you based?

 

[blackhorse]

As Matt says, that's an EXCELLENT budget in the current market.

A guy on arbtalk just bought a LuiGong 1.8t with cab and twin aux pipes for £14.5k. Yes it's Chinese but them, Sany and Sunward are the 'established' chinese players. You should be able to get a new (2024/2023 unsold stock ) canopy 1.8t model with 5 year warranty for £12k plus VAT in the current climate. Obviously the warranty is still a gamble in case they pull out of the UK market, but much less chance of that with Sany or LuiGong than the wanker Facebook barrow boys selling Rippa machines they just imported a container full of- you'll get zero backup from them.

Secondhand you'll just about be into a cabbed 2.7t at that money- 2015 ish Bobcat, Hyundai etc. Most will be well worn but they'll run all day. Or a very tidy mainstream brand with under 1000 hours on.

Where are you based?

Thanks for the info - I'm based just outside Norwich in Norfolk

 

[doobin]

Thanks for the info - I'm based just outside Norwich in Norfolk

A long way from me but no doubt there will be someone on here more local willing to accompany you to look over a prospective machine for a beer.

Post links to any machine you're considering for an apprasial of price/common problems etc.

 

[blackhorse]

A long way from me but no doubt there will be someone on here more local willing to accompany you to look over a prospective machine for a beer.

Post links to any machine you're considering for an apprasial of price/common problems etc.

Thanks - I'd seen a Bobcat E17 for sale by Ben Burgess (can't add links yet) - I was going to give them a call on Monday to chat about it. Only one bucket but then that's the least of my worries.

 

[doobin]

Thanks - I'd seen a Bobcat E17 for sale by Ben Burgess (can't add links yet) - I was going to give them a call on Monday to chat about it. Only one bucket but then that's the least of my worries

E17 MINI DIGGER - Ben Burgess

230MM RUBBER TRACK, 980MM BLADE, HYDRAULIC JOYSTICK CONTROLS, DIESEL 3 CYLINDAR ENGINE, 2249MM DIGGING DEPTH, 98-136CM UNDERCARRIAGE RANGE.

www.benburgess.co.uk

It's a Doosan, but same thing just orange.

It's missing the blade extensions.

Offset and breaker circuit are on pedals, not joystick rollers. If you plan to do any kind of work with breaker or other attachments, I'd want a joystick roller instead. Can easily be had for your budget.

Paintwork is known for calling off in sheets on these- I should know, I have an E19! If not regularly greased (ex hire) then wear in the boom can be excessive even at those hours.

 

[hiluxman]

E17 MINI DIGGER - Ben Burgess

230MM RUBBER TRACK, 980MM BLADE, HYDRAULIC JOYSTICK CONTROLS, DIESEL 3 CYLINDAR ENGINE, 2249MM DIGGING DEPTH, 98-136CM UNDERCARRIAGE RANGE.

www.benburgess.co.uk

It's a Doosan, but same thing just orange.

It's missing the blade extensions.

Offset and breaker circuit are on pedals, not joystick rollers. If you plan to do any kind of work with breaker or other attachments, I'd want a joystick roller instead. Can easily be had for your budget.

Paintwork is known for calling off in sheets on these- I should know, I have an E19! If not regularly greased (ex hire) then wear in the boom can be excessive even at those hours.

It's a bobcat in doosan colours. Doosan never did the e17, only the e17z and e19.
Bobcat plate on it not a doosan plate.

I don't think there's many aux on rollers readily available in that type machine range.

 

[Bri963]

hi

You must be if you think we’re going to buy small machines from the states.

 

[V8Druid]

hi

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