Been red carded off site because of this

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Jmk2k20

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JD450A said:
Are you a Employee or a self employed contractor? and are tools provided or are you expected to bring them.

No point arguing or pursuing if your a employee or if the tools you use are provided.... But i'm pretty certain I could justify the use of a knife vs a stanley in that scenario.
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I work for an agency and we have been told to bring our own tools because of lack of equipment , however tools are supposed to be provided for us .
 
JD450A

JD450A

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Jmk2k20 said:
I work for an agency and we have been told to bring our own tools because of lack of equipment , however tools are supposed to be provided for us .
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I'd actually argue the toss.... but the agency aren't going to be interested. And the Main contractor hardly seem bothered.

They have actually broken PUWER legislation by telling you to bring your own tools without stipulating what is suitable.

Provision and Use of Work Equipment Regulations 1998 (PUWER) - HSE

www.hse.gov.uk www.hse.gov.uk


What is work equipment?
Work equipment is any machinery, appliance, apparatus, tool or installation for use at work (whether exclusively or not). This includes equipment which employees provide for their own use at work. The scope of work equipment is therefore extremely wide. The use of work equipment is also very widely interpreted and '...means any activity involving work equipment and includes starting, stopping, programming, setting, transporting, repairing, modifying, maintaining, servicing and cleaning'.
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IMHO they have broken these two points -
  • ensure that all people using, supervising or managing the use of work equipment are provided with adequate, clear health and safety information. This will include, where necessary, written instructions on its use and suitable equipment markings and warnings

  • ensure that all people who use, supervise or manage the use of work equipment have received adequate training, which should include the correct use of the equipment, the risks that may arise from its use and the precautions to take
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They clearly have not done the first. otherwise you would not of supplied a legal knife, Nor have they done the second as it would appear that they are allowing you to bring in whatever.

On your hand you have correctly done the following

  • ensure the equipment is constructed or adapted to be suitable for the purpose it is used or provided for
  • take account of the working conditions and health and safety risks in the workplace when selecting work equipment
  • ensure work equipment is maintained in an efficient state, in efficient working order and in good repair


    And- When providing new work equipment for use at work, you must ensure it conforms with the essential requirements of European Community law (for new machinery this means the Machinery Directive). You must check it:
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You have supplied a tool that YOU as a tradesman where requested to bring (due to lack of working equipment on site) as far as you where concerned it was suitable for the purpose you intended to use it, and I don't down it confirmed to the machinery directive law.

If it was me, i'd go make the site agent squirm for the craic. But alas it won't get you far.
 
Charlie

Charlie

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Lancs Lad said:
Looks UK legal to me. I'm a knife fan/collector/maniac so doubt I'd last long on these sites..🤫🙄😂
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Yes and errr no!
It is an offence to carry any sharp or bladed instrument in a public place, with the exception of a folding pocket knife, which has a blade that is 7.62 cm (3 inches) or less. As the blade locks in place it is not a folding pocket knife in the eyes of the law but a lock knife and it is instantly classed as an offensive weapon, regardless of the length of the blade. It is therefore then for the person in possession of such an item to prove on the balance of probabilities that they had good reason for its possession.
Can of worms!
I have the Stanley version on my desk as I type and use it every day. When I ran a scout group I insisted on lock knives as we had three cases of "folding knives" folding whilst being used and slashing across the kids fingers.
 
Lancs Lad

Lancs Lad

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Charlie said:
Yes and errr no!
It is an offence to carry any sharp or bladed instrument in a public place, with the exception of a folding pocket knife, which has a blade that is 7.62 cm (3 inches) or less. As the blade locks in place it is not a folding pocket knife in the eyes of the law but a lock knife and it is instantly classed as an offensive weapon, regardless of the length of the blade. It is therefore then for the person in possession of such an item to prove on the balance of probabilities that they had good reason for its possession.
Can of worms!
I have the Stanley version on my desk as I type and use it every day. When I ran a scout group I insisted on lock knives as we had three cases of "folding knives" folding whilst being used and slashing across the kids fingers.
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Yeah fair enough about the lock bit.👍 But sure it's justified as "work" ..more chance of being arrested these days for not wearing a mask or daring to cross the green curtain into Wales.
 
Thomas7740

Thomas7740

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Guessing my work knife wouldn't be allowed? :LOL:
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