Bri963
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The drum that the box came out of is on the right. Valla crane lifting the counterweight back onto a 320.
The drum that the box came out of is on the right. Valla crane lifting the counterweight back onto a 320.
V8Druid
do it as well as you can,but learn to do it better
never seen a Valla in the UK ... only pix of 'em ...... look good strong tools
Bri963
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There are a few about, Gra. I expect most of them are in factories. We have two, a one toner pedestrian machine and this nine tonner. The most I’ve lifted was a 329 counterweight, about 6.4 tonnes, and it would only do that right over its toes. They’re a handy bit of kit, if you can operate a forklift you can manage one of these. Downer is there’s no slew, so that limits what you can do a bit. Now you’ll remember this better than me, but did Coles make a three wheeler lattice jib with no slew? I seem to remember seeing one at British Sugar nearly thirty-five years ago.
Mogman
What man as done, man can do, what never has,maybe
how about an old rapier (i think) a perkins motor running a DC generator and every thing DC powered (must of been one of the first hybrids) can in for the chop
V8Druid
do it as well as you can,but learn to do it better
eventually became a Coles Speedcrane from memory Bri, but i know the thing you're talking about ....
the Jumbo name was most synonymous with one of these .....
Taylor's version
which became this
and Jones made the ubiquitous Iron Fairy ... full slew
and luffing 10 degs L/R Mk6
Quattromike
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Like the Franna's they still love using down under.
V8Druid
do it as well as you can,but learn to do it better
yep Rapier Mog ........ most cranes were diesl electric 'fore hydraulics took over .... first mobile crane i had was a Coles Victor 10t strut-er diesel electric,how about an old rapier (i think) a perkins motor running a DC generator and every thing DC powered (must of been one of the first hybrids) can in for the chop
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mine had a gantry mast instead of the flying sheave .... much easier to rig
and'd carry 100ft of stick
and Coles Argos 6t yard crane
NMPs .... but do have pix of all of mine .... but a lot are paper and'll take some finding
Bri963
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That’s what the Valla replaced.how about an old rapier (i think) a perkins motor running a DC generator and every thing DC powered (must of been one of the first hybrids) can in for the chop
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Bri963
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Are Cole’s still on the go? That Iron Fairy had to be the most versatile small crane out for years.
V8Druid
do it as well as you can,but learn to do it better
became Grove Coles, before being swallowed by Grove completely IIRC ..... Fairy were BCHC, before becoming part of Jones ... Iron fairy still being produced, all be it very much updated and enlarged.
and most other manufacturers had some sort of version of a SP load carrier
Grove AP415
Grove Terex 85i carrydeck
There're literally hundreds of 'em ... including the Valla,s and several other Italian SP carriers .... I had a Ransomes and Rapier HS10, which was a great tool and they did a range up to 28t IIRC and several Fairy,s over the years
but the compact little 6 & 7t Fairy'd still takes some beating in a tight spot though
V8Druid
do it as well as you can,but learn to do it better
nice as that is ...... it'll never be a crane ... it's a tele handler ........
Locatelli (IIRC) did a similar thing but was a crane with a fork capability ....
think this was the particular model
GRIL 13.12 Rough Terrain Crane - Locatelli Crane
...... but seem to recall the one i'm thinking of as being closer to an 8 tonner and smaller
pretty sure Ormig also did a fork carrier attachment for some of there SP low headroom stuff too
GazCro
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I believe that once you hang the load off a wire it becomes a crane. You see the roto telehandlers becoming more popular and many have winches with them. Only a handler when using forks.
V8Druid
do it as well as you can,but learn to do it better
yes but they're an adapted telehandler first and foremost Gaz ... and will not have the sophisticated Load moment indicators that a crane will. Then there's the issue of tickets ??
............ and will never have the capacity of an equal sized, purpose built crane (IMHDO)
GazCro
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Which is just like rotos. It's gonna take a serious accident and then there'll be a sh**storm.yes but they're an adapted telehandler first and foremost Gaz ... and will not have the sophisticated Load moment indicators that a crane will. Then there's the issue of tickets ??
V8Druid
do it as well as you can,but learn to do it better
Aye .. can't even begin trying to imagine getting one insured .... hard enough getting cover for a conventional, purpose built crane, complete with all its safety gear, test cert.s, regime, etc.
GazCro
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Dead easy it's a telehandler.Aye .. can't even begin trying to imagine getting one insured .... hard enough getting cover for a conventional, purpose built crane, complete with all its safety gear, test cert.s, regime, etc.
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Smiffy
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yes but they're an adapted telehandler first and foremost Gaz ... and will not have the sophisticated Load moment indicators that a crane will. Then there's the issue of tickets ??
I think the rotos do have proper sli's fitted not just the back axle weigher fitted to tele's
And don't worry rotos have already got there own special ticket the money makers have made sure that's first on the agenda
Bri963
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We had a Manitou roto, it didn’t have a cable, but did have a similar LMI to a crane.yes but they're an adapted telehandler first and foremost Gaz ... and will not have the sophisticated Load moment indicators that a crane will. Then there's the issue of tickets ??
Bri963
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Sprocket and track replacement on a 259 CTL. I think we’ve had the best out of the sprockets. It came as a shock when I uncrated the new ones and felt the weight difference. The old tracks nearly fell off, they were so loose and thin. New tracks are always a bit of a battle to fit first time out, fitting New ones to an excavator is much easier. Didn’t think to take one of the tracks before I changed them, they were sagging down and bouncing on the front torsion bar bracket. I’ll take pictures when I do the next machine in about 500 hours,
the black plate is where the drive hoses come out through the chassis.
the black plate is where the drive hoses come out through the chassis.
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