New shed

[Mogman]

Right I have a plot of land that I own (no mortgage) and I have planning permission granted on a steel framed building (that I also have waiting to go up) now here’s the issue can I just put the building up? It will be on a 300mm thick reinforced slab (part of the planning says it has to be on a raft) with two layers of A393 mesh and a 450 thick toe around the edge, or do I need an engineer to design the slab, do I need to submit drawings to the council what do you think?

 

[GazCro]

Right I have a plot of land that I own (no mortgage) and I have planning permission granted on a steel framed building (that I also have waiting to go up) now here’s the issue can I just put the building up? It will be on a 300mm thick reinforced slab (part of the planning says it has to be on a raft) with two layers of A393 mesh and a 450 thick toe around the edge, or do I need an engineer to design the slab, do I need to submit drawings to the council what do you think?

I guess you could do it yourself and involve no one else (as farmers do) but, depending on what happens to the building on the future it may come back to bite you. I'm applying for planning soon hopefully to put a building up on land i own and am looking to build better spec than i need as if someone wants to pay me a nice rent further down the line why work as hard. What you suggest doesn't sound far off to me but recently engineers seem to have lost the plot so if you involve one it could get out of hand.

 

[Mogman]

I guess you could do it yourself and involve no one else (as farmers do) but, depending on what happens to the building on the future it may come back to bite you. I'm applying for planning soon hopefully to put a building up on land i own and am looking to build better spec than i need as if someone wants to pay me a nice rent further down the line why work as hard. What you suggest doesn't sound far off to me but recently engineers seem to have lost the plot so if you involve one it could get out of hand.

Well I have a pal who is an civil engineer so could have a few calculations done on my slab, he did the calcs on my loft conversion I had all the steel work welded up ready and he just made the figures work
as for future i don’t think I’ll ever sell it as there is no where near by I could use as a yard

 

[V8Druid]

I guess you could do it yourself and involve no one else (as farmers do) but, depending on what happens to the building on the future it may come back to bite you. I'm applying for planning soon hopefully to put a building up on land i own and am looking to build better spec than i need as if someone wants to pay me a nice rent further down the line why work as hard. What you suggest doesn't sound far off to me but recently engineers seem to have lost the plot so if you involve one it could get out of hand.

don't think they ever had a grip on reality, let alone the plot TBH ..... some of the stuff I've had done, or been involved with, that's been calc.ed by a structural were so far over the top, it was untrue ...... they always go completely over the top to avoid any chance of having to call upon their professional indemnity ins. (which is getting harder and harder to get and consequently expensive) ... they aren't paying the bills for their designs

i think you would be wise to get the reinforcing properly calc.ed though @Mogman ... the ring beam around it needs to have enough in it to stay in one piece

 

[Stubota86]

Not sure on the building control side of things as can depend on size and usage, this website is pretty handy

Exemptions from building regulations - Building Regulations - Planning Portal

Details of your responsibilities in regard to building regulations in England

www.planningportal.co.uk

 

[Volbar1]

Is it a agricultural shed or industrial? Is it a small light weight steel frame or a gert big frame that's going to have a gantry crane hanging of it?
Agricultural I would just crack on a with it. Industrial is a different ball game altogether.

 

[Mogman]

Is it a agricultural shed or industrial? Is it a small light weight steel frame or a gert big frame that's going to have a gantry crane hanging of it?
Agricultural I would just crack on a with it. Industrial is a different ball game altogether.

Industrial building 18m x 6m 5m high, using large section steel but no over head crane

this is the building I’m going to erect
don‘t really want the council involved if I can help it as it’s down as storage unit but I’m going to have a 12 meter pit and work shop

 

[Shovelhands]

Industrial building 18m x 6m 5m high, using large section steel but no over head crane
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this is the building I’m going to erect
don‘t really want the council involved if I can help it as it’s down as storage unit but I’m going to have a 12 meter pit and work shop

is this possibly the perfect time to JFD it?

 

[Quattromike]

Industrial building 18m x 6m 5m high, using large section steel but no over head crane
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this is the building I’m going to erect
don‘t really want the council involved if I can help it as it’s down as storage unit but I’m going to have a 12 meter pit and work shop

There's not going to be a lot of building inspectors about just now so if you can afford to take a punt go for it I say. On the other hand building control can make you take it down again if not up to spec. You should have a building warrant which would include structural engineer calcs. You may also find with second hand buildings you won't have a CE certificate which may be required for the completion certificate to allow you to get insurance on it. We got our EN1090 FPC certificate and the assessor basically said all second hand buildings going up now are illegal as there's no CE certificate to prove they meet the specs. A load of bull crap if you ask me but this is the rules our leaders set for us

 

[V8Druid]

is this possibly the perfect time to JFD it?

never be a better time to just crack on

 

[V8Druid]

There's not going to be a lot of building inspectors about just now so if you can afford to take a punt go for it I say. On the other hand building control can make you take it down again if not up to spec. You should have a building warrant which would include structural engineer calcs. You may also find with second hand buildings you won't have a CE certificate which may be required for the completion certificate to allow you to get insurance on it. We got our EN1090 FPC certificate and the assessor basically said all second hand buildings going up now are illegal as there's no CE certificate to prove they meet the specs. A load of bull crap if you ask me but this is the rules our leaders set for us

just don't tell your insurers it's a newly erected building .. you've just started making use of it

 

[Stubota86]

There's not going to be a lot of building inspectors about just now so if you can afford to take a punt go for it I say. On the other hand building control can make you take it down again if not up to spec. You should have a building warrant which would include structural engineer calcs. You may also find with second hand buildings you won't have a CE certificate which may be required for the completion certificate to allow you to get insurance on it. We got our EN1090 FPC certificate and the assessor basically said all second hand buildings going up now are illegal as there's no CE certificate to prove they meet the specs. A load of bull crap if you ask me but this is the rules our leaders set for us

If you do need approval then use a private company rather than get council involved, as long as you appoint them prior to starting work then the council don’t get a look in. Only thing is if you need building control sign off retrospectively or once you’ve started then I think you have to use local authority

wouldn’t surprise me if the private company never even came to site

working with these guys at the mo, seem pretty good

Building Control | Stroma Group | Safety. Sustainability. Compliance

Stroma Building Control is a Construction Industry Council (CICAIR) Approved Inspector offering building control to residential & commercial

www.stroma.com

 

[Mogman]

is this possibly the perfect time to JFD it?

One slite problem is I need 25 concrete panels and 4 of them will be to form the pit that I need to build before the shed goes up as it’s going to sit on the slab

 

[Shovelhands]

One slite problem is I need 25 concrete panels and 4 of them will be to form the pit that I need to build before the shed goes up as it’s going to sit on the slab

Can you not make a steel pit and concrete it in?

 

[Quattromike]

It actually looks like a temporary building if you lay a decent slab with the building perched on top with conc panels bolted to the legs there's no one can say it's not temporary

 

[Quattromike]

Can you not make a steel pit and concrete it in?

This is how I've seen most pits going in, iirc it's £1k per meter to buy a pit which includes all wiring lights air and jack's

 

[DaveDCB]

One slite problem is I need 25 concrete panels and 4 of them will be to form the pit that I need to build before the shed goes up as it’s going to sit on the slab

Graham Heath should still be open as they are agriculture based, they make panels

I think you’ll need building regs as it’s industrial not agricultural - but personally I’d just get the raft and steel frame calcs checked and bang it up, at least if anything gets ‘mentioned’ you have a paper trail to throw back at them.

 

[Monkeybusiness]

Jones panels in Deeside are also still open I believe mate - that’s where mine came from and a mate has just had a delivery from them.
Graham Heath are 5 mins from me and I believe that they are also still producing.

 

[Mogman]

This is how I've seen most pits going in, iirc it's £1k per meter to buy a pit which includes all wiring lights air and jack's

I’ve made a steel liner for a pit before now had to make a folder to bend the light reassess and then fitted it
i‘m trying to save on concrete so thinking panels will be better and quicker

 

[GazCro]

I’ve made a steel liner for a pit before now had to make a folder to bend the light reassess and then fitted it
i‘m trying to save on concrete so thinking panels will be better and quicker

You gonna wear wellies in the pit?