360 view

[fred]

In anticipation of the duck arriving and not wanting to kill any hapless labourers looking at their phones instead of their surroundings,
some sort of cam system will he needed.

http://trailervision.co.uk/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=71&products_id=301

Saw this but price is a bit tasty just to keep the H&S bloke happy.

Anyone use similar?

 

[V8Druid]

In anticipation of the duck arriving and not wanting to kill any hapless labourers looking at their phones instead of their surroundings,
some sort of cam system will he needed.

http://trailervision.co.uk/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=71&products_id=301

Saw this but price is a bit tasty just to keep the H&S bloke happy.

Anyone use similar?

cheaper option ..... ban all phones from site ..... lock 'em up 'til home time....like school kids

 

[V8Druid]

In anticipation of the duck arriving and not wanting to kill any hapless labourers looking at their phones instead of their surroundings,
some sort of cam system will he needed.

http://trailervision.co.uk/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=71&products_id=301

Saw this but price is a bit tasty just to keep the H&S bloke happy.

Anyone use similar?

Rob, @Hydremaduck may well be a font of knowledge on these systems Fred and Ollie @Komatsu

 

[wee_gus]

Fred,
Can you tell me what machine your going for? I can supply and install with mounts designed for your machine. So it all looks OEM

 

[fred]

Not really nailed down the make but likely EW160 or similar. Ballpark price for the kit would be good, pm if you like.

 

[fred]

cheaper option ..... ban all phones from site ..... lock 'em up 'til home time....like school kids

My lads are ok, it’s the bloody subbies. Sparkies the worst followed by Chippie’s.

 

[Mark]

In anticipation of the duck arriving and not wanting to kill any hapless labourers looking at their phones instead of their surroundings,
some sort of cam system will he needed.

http://trailervision.co.uk/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=71&products_id=301

Saw this but price is a bit tasty just to keep the H&S bloke happy.

Anyone use similar?

We have had to fit 360 camera kits to a lot of our machines recently some have brigade black eye 360 that was expensive, found just a good product in synergy 360 camera kit. Can put you in contact with the guy fitting them for me supply's and fits for £1200 does a real tidy job of the installs as well takes pride in what he's doing.

 

[Grahams]

I have a brigand system, but a split screen with 4 views rather than the 360 view. Seems to me to give less distortion, but as the computer programs are always improving this may no longer be an issue.
Graham

 

[JD450A]

f**k the Mirrors and cameras... Segregated site traffic management plan with designated main access routes and clear instructions to other trades to stay at least 10M clear of working machinery is the way forward! All the cameras in the world won't stop HSE from nailing you if you don't do it anyway.

 

[fred]

f**k the Mirrors and cameras... Segregated site traffic management plan with designated main access routes and clear instructions to other trades to stay at least 10M clear of working machinery is the way forward! All the cameras in the world won't stop HSE from nailing you if you don't do it anyway.

None of that is relevant to me, we lucky to have 7m between plots !

 

[JD450A]

None of that is relevant to me, we lucky to have 7m between plots !

It is i'm afraid. Had this argument many many times with small house builders. Designated entry point into the building in question for indoor trades, A defined team of ground workers if required to work with the machine and driver, and if you have brickies/plasterers etc. working outside then you either give them defined boundaries not to cross or you barrier/rope off working areas. That's best practice and IMHO it's the first practice to follow. Many a man has had his leg run over by a item of plant and no amount of mirrors, cameras and other shite will save you in court should the HSE feel the need to take it that way.

You will get away with scabby trade idiots running behind mini diggers and small items of plant. But larger machines in particular have a nasty habit of catching both the operators and the idiots out.

That's my advice anyway gleened from experience and reinforced by watching someone recently very very almost loose there life to a reversing 8 wheel tipper with all the bells, whistles and cameras. the man in question would of been flat had someone else on a scaffold not been watching.

 

[Komatsu]

Rob, @Hydremaduck may well be a font of knowledge on these systems Fred and Ollie @Komatsu

I got mine from this company, dealt with them for a number of years and am very happy with the level of service https://www.csautoelectrics.com/

 

[Rob 210]

luckily enough got this fitted on the HX

 

[Hydremaduck]

Personally I don't like the 360 systems. That said technology is indeed moving all the time and the "stitching" quality may well have improved.

For those not, in the know. Separate cameras around the vehicle / machine have their view stitched together by computer program to produce the over head 360 effect.

I prefer the separate cameras which I can view separately or together individually on one screen.

Mine is from Brigade

 

[CPS]

I seen a system on facebook this morning fitted to a Hitachi rubber duck that was basically a projected "red zone" around the machine..... I thought it was a good idea but is it needed or over kill?

Discuss

 

[fred]

its more for road use piece of mind for me, you cant see behind and you dont have a good view of the right side where the arm is. You know the area idiot cyclists like to occupy.

 

[Hydremaduck]

I seen a system on facebook this morning fitted to a Hitachi rubber duck that was basically a projected "red zone" around the machine..... I thought it was a good idea but is it needed or over kill?

Discuss

Lights blue touch paper and retreats with pint in one hand and a silly smirk across his face

Big plant outfit just fitted kill switch on machines and given control to a banksman REALLY! Absolute bloody madness but its the sort of bullshit that ticks another box on the paperwork created by the inexperienced who are slowly taking control of the industry.
Bypass the problem rather than confronting it and sorting it.

How?

Very easy. Sites simply have to demand that suppliers provide an experienced operator and suppliers have to demand a hire rate to provide that service.
Pay peanuts, get monkeys and it doesn't matter how many safety features you fit to a bit of equipment, give the monkey enough time and he will manage to bypass it by hook or by crook.

 

[fred]

not sure i would operate a machine that someone else had control of, is that even legal from an insurance point of view ?

I can imaging lifting arm out the way so some plant can pass only to have the bankman mistake the kill switch for his phone and kill the machine resulting in the bucket knocking the labourer off the dumper as he rightly expected it to be out the way.

 

[Hydremaduck]

not sure i would operate a machine that someone else had control of, is that even legal from an insurance point of view ?

Idea was kicked about by Highways England for the M1 job I've been on.

I told my Senior Works Manager, they can demand what they like but I'd guarantee my machine would be going on a lowloader rather than agree to having some 3rd party have access to a kill switch.
Many times I'm shedding weight cross carriage loading trucks on other carriageway by opening bucket as I clear side of truck. Can you imagine some third party thinking Ooooo, its going over, and hit kill switch FFs! then it would be going over and nothing I could do about it.

 

[Hydremaduck]

I seen a system on facebook this morning fitted to a Hitachi rubber duck that was basically a projected "red zone" around the machine..... I thought it was a good idea but is it needed or over kill?

Have seen something similar on paving gear on nightshift. Projects a red light onto the ground. Only addition I would make is a sprung loaded boxing glove that smacks any twat that enters that zone, straight on end of nose. Make eye contact with machine operator, get the thumbs up as he cancels the boxing glove and live another day without a nose bleed.

The sooner someone makes an example in court of an "on foot" person entering the exclusion zone around a piece of plant without first receiving clearance from the operator, the better.

You don't jump off motorway bridges BECAUSE? YOU'LL DIE !
You don't stand on live railway tracks BECAUSE? YOU'LL DIE !
You don't run across live motorways BECAUSE? YOU'LL DIE !

Stop treating bits of plant and operators like kids toys and start telling folk

Approach a bit of plant from wrong angle without making eye contact with the operator and there is a good chance YOU WILL BE SERIOUSLY HURT OR EVEN DIE!

BUT

We cannot do that as it promotes the wrong image of our industry! Instead we will just carry on running over idiots who should no better but in fact have had their commonsense removed as its always someone else's fault.