Deep dig buckets

[doobin]

Any good? I can imagine the 400mm jobbies are good in sand, but has anyone used a 700mm one to depth in tougher ground like chalk? I can see how they would work, peeling off layers. Good idea or not? Thinking I'd get both depths, can always make a second pass with the deeper one too as it would be unweildy to use that for the first foot or so.

Deep Dig / Micro Trenching Buckets – Rhinox-Group

Alternative names: Virgin Media Bucket, Drainage Bucket The Rhinox Deep Dig Bucket is a narrow built bucket, typically used for installing fibre optic broadband cables and pipes. Available for 0.75 - 3 Ton Excavators At 3" - 6" wide, 400mm or 700mm deep, they are ideal for laying small diameter...

rhinox-group.com

 

[Smiffy]

Have used them on 8 and 13 tonners for cutting 150mm trenches and they work well
But surely installing water pipe you would need an 800mm bucket to install the pipe at 750mm below surface ??

 

[T whiting]

There only for footpaths where they want to keep reinstatement to minimum.
In open ground just use a foot bucket or a 9 inch on a 1.5 at least you have a chance of seeing a service coming

 

[Smiffy]

There only for footpaths where they want to keep reinstatement to minimum.
In open ground just use a foot bucket or a 9 inch on a 1.5 at least you have a chance of seeing a service coming

More to the point a wider bucket especially if bladed should glide over ducting if matched to the size of machine
A 9in bucket on a 1.5 with a careful operator doesn't even damage clay drains unless you catch a collar

 

[doobin]

I'm interested in whether they are quicker than a standard bucket?

On the job I have in mind, I'd use a 12" to open up the topsoil and throw it one side, as the idea is to use this to backfill the pipe as apparently it's soft enough according to the client. So getting an extra 100mm would be no problem with the 700mm deep dig.

 

[Hg2702]

They look a bit numb to be honest I’ve got a 150mm Long toed bucket that’s perfect for any utility’s

 

[Smiffy]

I'm interested in whether they are quicker than a standard bucket?

On the job I have in mind, I'd use a 12" to open up the topsoil and throw it one side, as the idea is to use this to backfill the pipe as apparently it's soft enough according to the client. So getting an extra 100mm would be no problem with the 700mm deep dig.

I doubt the dig would be any quicker
It's still the same amount of passes.
The gains can be made in reinstatement depending on costs
As you could fill with shingle to below topsoil level which is far quicker than trying to compact fill
Especially on such a narrow trench where you would be poking and proding stuff to fill the trench
If you want to refill with soil I think a wider bucket would be quicker.
And easier to refill without voids

 

[CPS]

I'd say a clay bucket like this would be better/quicker, it would dig in easier and you would have no problem with it sticking.

 

[doobin]

I'd say a clay bucket like this would be better/quicker, it would dig in easier and you would have no problem with it sticking.
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Maybe I'll try one of these after taking the top to one side with the 12"

Pardon our interruption...

They look quicker than a normal bucket on soft ground:

 

[fred]

id second that. had an engcon deep drainage 900 deep and it was great unless it was anything sticky and then you spent more time smacking it on the dumper/blade to empty it.

 

[Vinpetrol]

I'd say a clay bucket like this would be better/quicker, it would dig in easier and you would have no problem with it sticking.
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That bucket looks like it would be good to dig around services that we should be hand digging around !

 

[Grahams]

Here is a link to some narrow bucket stuff. How about 4 foot deep by 4 inches wide or even 8 foot deep by 12 inches. Video as well.

TRENCHER FANG

 

[Monkeybusiness]

I reckon I’ve seen the fella next to that bucket hanging around lay-bys and truck stops...

 

[V8Druid]

View attachment 23185I reckon I’ve seen the fella next to that bucket hanging around lay-bys and truck stops...

God help any services or land drains that thing finds ...... be history in seconds

 

[Left hooker]

Would class anything like those buckets as plowing rather than digging
And for reinstatement harder to fill and compact a slot so any gain is lost on tidy up
I would say go wider is faster
In an open field doing water pipe for farmer would use 18 inch on my 5 ton as same width as tracks for compacting back and larger hole is easier to get material in fast where a small slot bit if turf and it snaggs and don't fill all the way to bottom you have to go over it again

 

[Vinpetrol]

Would class anything like those buckets as plowing rather than digging
And for reinstatement harder to fill and compact a slot so any gain is lost on tidy up
I would say go wider is faster
In an open field doing water pipe for farmer would use 18 inch on my 5 ton as same width as tracks for compacting back and larger hole is easier to get material in fast where a small slot bit if turf and it snaggs and don't fill all the way to bottom you have to go over it again

Couldn’t agree more

 

[T whiting]

Couldn’t agree more

Same here tbh if the ground is clear enough that you can dig like crazy with a tiny bucket could you not plow the pipe in?

 

[Vinpetrol]

Same here tbh if the ground is clear enough that you can dig like crazy with a tiny bucket could you not plow the pipe in?

I like the terminology “dig like crazy” there should be a mode on the digger called that !!

 

[Trenchies]

Maybe I'll try one of these after taking the top to one side with the 12"

Pardon our interruption...

They look quicker than a normal bucket on soft ground:

Hi Doobin, This was originally the Rhinox 400mm deep version. Now extended to 600mm with side cutters to allow for a 100mm wide warning strip to be placed at half trench depth. Captain hindsight pointed out many hours and some dollars could have been saved by getting the 700mm version and cutting it down. Plus the cutting edge angle seems better on the 700mm version.

Owned it for 3 years and used it three times. Two jobs were weaving between trees with little room for spoils. The other across a small back yard.

Pros: Opens a trench about 1/3 quicker
Half the spoils of the other 200mm bucket. no chance of digging too deep.

Cons: No chance of digging deep enough if the ground is really hard. doesn't dig as close to buildings so more hand digging. reversing the bucket doesn't really help because of the length stealing any breakout force.
Harder to keep the trench sides clear so often ending up knocking dirt back in when installing a conduit. Awkward to get the dirt out of the trench again when dirt falls in. Doesn't work well digging corners or intersections, again cos of dirt falling back in. Backfilling is just un-fun.

Still would like to give it another go if a longer wire run comes along in an open field clear of anything else underground. The current 200mm trenching bucket is quicker and more pleasant to use overall not to mention safer.

 

[Stroppymonkey]

I’ve got a deep dig for the micro and never use it as too scared of services. Have used it as a ripper on the 2.6t and it’s surprisingly well put together. Not broken it yet. Just needs a tooth on the end