Wacker Neuson ET65 Engcon

[Furniss]

Thought I'd start a different thread for the Wacker.

Wondering whether I should have a couple of t's put in the tilt line for when I use the TMK 300 - as discussed before there won't be enough flow through the little ec206 but I think it will be worth keeping the tilty on as been able to rotate might be useful ?

I think @Grahams said he has t's in his setup so was wondering what would be neatest etc ?

 

[Grahams]

Thought I'd start a different thread for the Wacker.

Wondering whether I should have a couple of t's put in the tilt line for when I use the TMK 300 - as discussed before there won't be enough flow through the little ec206 but I think it will be worth keeping the tilty on as been able to rotate might be useful ?

I think @Grahams said he has t's in his setup so was wondering what would be neatest etc ?

Mine just has a button that switches between tilt and the exiting breaker circuit. So you can use full tilt rotator 180 degrees either way then press the button and use the full power of the breaker circuit rather than the reduced amount of oil going through the tilt rotator. Initially takes a bit of thinking about, but after pulling the hoses off one I haven’t done it again.

 

[Furniss]

Mine just has a button that switches between tilt and the exiting breaker circuit. So you can use full tilt rotator 180 degrees either way then press the button and use the full power of the breaker circuit rather than the reduced amount of oil going through the tilt rotator. Initially takes a bit of thinking about, but after pulling the hoses off one I haven’t done it again.

I hardly dare say it

 

[V8Druid]

Thought I'd start a different thread for the Wacker.

Wondering whether I should have a couple of t's put in the tilt line for when I use the TMK 300 - as discussed before there won't be enough flow through the little ec206 but I think it will be worth keeping the tilty on as been able to rotate might be useful ?

I think @Grahams said he has t's in his setup so was wondering what would be neatest etc ?

6 x 2 diverter ... wanna be a big un .. Aiden? @CPS

 

[T whiting]

Can you not pipe the shear to the rotate line and the tiltrotator to the breaker lines? (Or the other way around)?

 

[Furniss]

Can you not pipe the shear to the rotate line and the tiltrotator to the breaker lines? (Or the other way around)?

It's a 4p tilty thats coming - on machines sticks.

 

[Shovelhands]

I think you need to divert the oil from the hammer line before it goes to the tilty. I’ve thought/intended to do the same, just not had the need yet….
But adding a diverter to the hammer line before the tilty (I’ve always intended to do it on the back of the boom) will give you a switchable high flow line, retaining the use of the tilty where necessary and giving the full flow to your shear etc. you just won’t be able to spin the attachment all the way round due to the extra hoses.

 

[Furniss]

I think you need to divert the oil from the hammer line before it goes to the tilty. I’ve thought/intended to do the same, just not had the need yet….
But adding a diverter to the hammer line before the tilty (I’ve always intended to do it on the back of the boom) will give you a switchable high flow line, retaining the use of the tilty where necessary and giving the full flow to your shear etc. you just won’t bd able to spin the attachment all the way round due to the extra hoses.

From a button on the sticks or a tap ?

 

[Shovelhands]

From a button on the sticks or a tap ?

Button on the stick, or a foot operated switch if you’ve run out of buttons. Either way a 6 port diverter valve on the hammer line will give you the high flow option without going through the tilty and also retain full use of the tilty for positioning the attachment. It will be just the same as the auxiliary on the tilty, you will press a button, loose tilt (usually), and gain an aux for a grab etc. You would just be doing that same process before the tilty, basically ending up with 3 auxiliaries on the base machine.
That’s the way I see it anyway.

You could use taps, you’d need 3 port hydraulic lever valves, but you’d have to get out of the machine to gain back your tilty function or high flow function, seems like a ball ache to me! Might as well just unplug the tilty that’s in the high flow and plug the shear straight in.

To make it useful and keep the ability to use the tilty to position the attachments it needs to be switchable from the cab imo

 

[Grahams]

To make it useful and keep the ability to use the tilty to position the attachments it needs to be switchable from the cab imo

Completely agree. Switching back and forth on a button is the way to go. Some sort of manual lever outside the cab would defeat the object of a tiltrotator.

 

[V8Druid]

only real issue/PITA with a 6 x 2 diverter is having to cross one or the other of the pipes from one side of the boom to t'other.... 2no. 3 x 1 diverters - one either side might, be a better proposition, run in tandem from the same switch

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[Giles]

Do you really need it though? You get what 60% power through the engcon with no extra pipes etc are you going to need that extra 40 % on angle cuts etc or just for busting stumps and ground level which you can do with tilty off anyway

 

[Furniss]

I'll try explain myself so I sound less stupid but that's a feat in itself.

My reasoning was I don't use the shear a lot so a mechanic t on the hammer lines would save me having to disconnect the tilty lines and then have them to deal with, setup like this I still have the option to rotate which would be handy.
I like the idea of a switchable diverter on the hammer lines to toggle between shear/tilt but I'm not convinced it's worth the effort as I don't have anything else that needs that flow and if I'm not mistaken a grab if I ever get one would run through the tilty and could turn endlessly.
Thinking on ....Engcon asked me to identify the buttons on the machine and which were used for what and which were free, i filled out their form and dropped it off, not sure how capable they are and cant assume its like leaving it to Nasco ...so I need a button that toggles between tilt and gripper, which needs to be a button on back as thumb won't hold a front button and comfortably operate the rollers, both back buttons are used at present, hammer on left and horn on front, I'm guessing I need to be asking them to reassign the horn button to toggle tilt/gripper ?
Not sure how it's normally done on sticks like mine ?

 

[Furniss]

Do you really need it though? You get what 60% power through the engcon with no extra pipes etc are you going to need that extra 40 % on angle cuts etc or just for busting stumps and ground level which you can do with tilty off anyway

I think its speed that will the problem through the tilty.

 

[Furniss]

only real issue/PITA with a 6 x 2 diverter is having to cross one or the other of the pipes from one side of the boom to t'other.... 2no. 3 x 1 diverters - one either side might, be a better proposition, run in tandem from the same switch

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Think you need a short stay in France

 

[V8Druid]

Think you need a short stay in France

LOL ... sounds like a fun road trip ...... I'll ask Pam if she fancies a 'ride out'

 

[Brendan]

Not clued up on any of this but could you not change one of the sticks to gain an extra button or two then run additional wires to where needed?

 

[Monkeybusiness]

On the Rototilt 4 hose system the toggle between tilt/aux is a momentary switch (you don’t have to hold it down to use the aux, just click on/off).

 

[V8Druid]

On the Rototilt 4 hose system the toggle between tilt/aux is a momentary switch (you don’t have to hold it down to use the aux, just click on/off).

you mean press to make, press again to break .. momentary needs to be held

 

[Monkeybusiness]

you mean press to make, press again to break .. momentary needs to be held

Sorry - yes, I mean what you mean not what I thought I meant!!!
@Furniss - mine are set up so that my left ‘trigger’ finger presses the ‘press to make, press again to break’ button and this switches what my right thumb rocker switch does. Both my Bobcat and Takeuchi had this front switch as a spare, which was good.