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JD450A

JD450A

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doobin said:
How would you quote a meterage rate when the track width, the track route and the minimum clearance to other trees are 'tbc'? Does this firebreak go through the heavily wooded area or skirt around the outsides?

I once had some fat **** from another village council tell me that the spec was to 'put down some planings for a car park from (waves hand) "that tree over there to that bush over in the corner'.

This is public money ffs!
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Just smile and wave........ Try district and county council work 🤣
 
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Monkeybusiness

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doobin said:
How would you quote a meterage rate when the track width, the track route and the minimum clearance to other trees are 'tbc'? Does this firebreak go through the heavily wooded area or skirt around the outsides?

I once had some fat **** from another village council tell me that the spec was to 'put down some planings for a car park from (waves hand) "that tree over there to that bush over in the corner'.

This is public money ffs!
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A meterage rate for scraping off a 5m wide swathe of leaf litter etc, and tree removal to be priced on top once route is agreed. They probably don’t know if you’d charge £10/m or £1000/m for the scraping off so it would give them something to work from.
I do agree that it is muppetry, but the cuntstomer is always right, and you can often make decent money out of these sorts of jobs once your foot is in the door….
 
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Smiffy

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doobin said:
How would you quote a meterage rate when the track width, the track route and the minimum clearance to other trees are 'tbc'? Does this firebreak go through the heavily wooded area or skirt around the outsides?

I once had some fat **** from another village council tell me that the spec was to 'put down some planings for a car park from (waves hand) "that tree over there to that bush over in the corner'.

This is public money ffs!
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We do a lot of highways work. Mostly flood prevention but also crossing points, signs and even down to no parking bollards.

Last week we turned up to install a soak away. Big one so concrete rings big machine and trench boxes all on site read and we start to dig. Found the water table 100mm below the invert of the gully we had to install. So back filled with stone and left. Still charge for the job just nothing achieved.
Today installing a long run of new 10in drain to pipe what is currently discharged onto the footpath down to a gully. 3 different suggestions of doing it properly for the same price as their bodge idea. All rejected in favour of a bodge that will block up and cause more issues than there are already.
Although my all time favourite is arriving on site for the drainage engineer to tell us to put a new pipe to Chanel water from the lower gully pot with a broken outlet to the higher gully pot with working outlet.

As I have said before the problem is that noone that's any good will work for what the council will pay
 
doobin

doobin

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Monkeybusiness said:
A meterage rate for scraping off a 5m wide swathe of leaf litter etc, and tree removal to be priced on top once route is agreed. They probably don’t know if you’d charge £10/m or £1000/m for the scraping off so it would give them something to work from.
I do agree that it is muppetry, but the cuntstomer is always right, and you can often make decent money out of these sorts of jobs once your foot is in the door….
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The issue is that they want a 'complete' price so they can submit that price to Natural England for funding. So what happens is that either everyone prices stupid (and the taxpayer looses) or one person prices cheap and then has to argue the toss with them when it comes to getting paid.
 
Storrsy

Storrsy

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doobin said:
How would you quote a meterage rate when the track width, the track route and the minimum clearance to other trees are 'tbc'? Does this firebreak go through the heavily wooded area or skirt around the outsides?

I once had some fat **** from another village council tell me that the spec was to 'put down some planings for a car park from (waves hand) "that tree over there to that bush over in the corner'.

This is public money ffs!
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And sadly that's why it's necessary to add prat tax to these kind of jobs, to cover all eventualities. Can't be expected to give an accurate costing if they can't provide accurate specs to work to.
 
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6feetdown

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doobin said:
How would you quote a meterage rate when the track width, the track route and the minimum clearance to other trees are 'tbc'? Does this firebreak go through the heavily wooded area or skirt around the outsides?

I once had some fat **** from another village council tell me that the spec was to 'put down some planings for a car park from (waves hand) "that tree over there to that bush over in the corner'.

This is public money ffs!
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Quote a rate based on a minimum cost or quantity with costs tbc on confirmation of their specifications
 
doobin

doobin

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Just got a copy of Spons Landscape pricebook 2024. Thought people might be interested in the following:

Excavate to reduce levels, remove spoil to stockpile not exceeding 100m in travel, all by machine. Average 0.25m deep: £7 per m3
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Spons prices include 15% contractor profit. That £7 per m3 makes a hectare at .25 deep £17,500.

That tallies pretty well I reckon with the Rory's initial estimate of two weeks for two men with digger and dumper (£1k/day?) to do a hectare at 100mm deep.

If a hectare at 100mm deep takes ten days at £1k a day, that's ten grand. Doing it to 250mm deep will be about double. Obviously @JD450A estimated the 1ha initially allowing for the ballache of working on a conservation site. So 20k per ha is 3.5k more than the Spons ballpark price.
 
JD450A

JD450A

Feral as Fk 🐾
doobin said:
Just got a copy of Spons Landscape pricebook 2024. Thought people might be interested in the following:



Spons prices include 15% contractor profit. That £7 per m3 makes a hectare at .25 deep £17,500.

That tallies pretty well I reckon with the Rory's initial estimate of two weeks for two men with digger and dumper (£1k/day?) to do a hectare at 100mm deep.

If a hectare at 100mm deep takes ten days at £1k a day, that's ten grand. Doing it to 250mm deep will be about double. Obviously @JD450A estimated the 1ha initially allowing for the ballache of working on a conservation site. So 20k per ha is 3.5k more than the Spons ballpark price.
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Don't read into it too much folks, he's just got the quote back off engcon for his grading bucket 🤣
 
Giles

Giles

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doobin said:
Just got a copy of Spons Landscape pricebook 2024. Thought people might be interested in the following:



Spons prices include 15% contractor profit. That £7 per m3 makes a hectare at .25 deep £17,500.

That tallies pretty well I reckon with the Rory's initial estimate of two weeks for two men with digger and dumper (£1k/day?) to do a hectare at 100mm deep.

If a hectare at 100mm deep takes ten days at £1k a day, that's ten grand. Doing it to 250mm deep will be about double. Obviously @JD450A estimated the 1ha initially allowing for the ballache of working on a conservation site. So 20k per ha is 3.5k more than the Spons ballpark price.
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Is that 100% London rare or localised to your percentage? Up north here we are 86% of stated rates. Be in the first 50 pages of the book.
 
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Brendan

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doobin said:
Just got a copy of Spons Landscape pricebook 2024. Thought people might be interested in the following:



Spons prices include 15% contractor profit. That £7 per m3 makes a hectare at .25 deep £17,500.

That tallies pretty well I reckon with the Rory's initial estimate of two weeks for two men with digger and dumper (£1k/day?) to do a hectare at 100mm deep.

If a hectare at 100mm deep takes ten days at £1k a day, that's ten grand. Doing it to 250mm deep will be about double. Obviously @JD450A estimated the 1ha initially allowing for the ballache of working on a conservation site. So 20k per ha is 3.5k more than the Spons ballpark price.
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Is plant included in their prices
 
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Brendan

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doobin said:
Of course. It says ‘all by machine’. There’s a section for the same jobs but by hand underneath that.
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No, check to see that plant is included in the rate, from an old one I've seen before plant hire costs were not included, so the M2 rates are labour, fuel, profit without the hire charges.
The same for the few QS we used M2 rates for everything then hire charges separate
 
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