Anyone using electric diggers?

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Brendan

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London only ATM I believe and can't own one ... rent from licensed companies ..... but think there's plenty coming in the back doors:rolleyes: .... not 'sposed to use 'em on the pavement either ... sod traffic dodging on summat that'll only do 15mph :oops:
Northampton has had the trial PAYG electric stand on scooter programme for a few months.
Meant to be ridden only on the roads only and need a driving license to be able to use them.
App based and Geo locked to only certain areas, there's a few vans that go about swapping over fully charged ones and I assume moving some to set pickup points
 
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AusDave

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seems it's not classified as a bicycle - no pedals - but an electric moped with a 30mph limit .... see the small print says they have a 'full power' dodge "for off road use " :unsure::LOL:... yeh right :giggle::LOL::ROFLMAO:
Over here the rego for the moped category, which this bike comes under, states a maximum speed of 50kmh. So when you get the bike it does a maximum of 50kmh. However there is a wire which if cut removes all limits :D
 
V8Druid

V8Druid

do it as well as you can,but learn to do it better
Tripped over this mob yesterday ......
Polestar – Electric cars | Polestar UK
anyone know much about them ? Swedish BTLs ..... never heard of 'em 'til now ...... not a bad looking motor
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400 donkeys, 300 mile range and £47k for the all electric ...... has a bit of a modern mustang look about it .... and no I ain't contemplating one :rolleyes:
 
CPS

CPS

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Yes, the guy that is designing the diagnostic system is a very good friend of mine.

I didn't think they were ready to launch yet?
 
Lancs Lad

Lancs Lad

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Tripped over this mob yesterday ......
Polestar – Electric cars | Polestar UK
anyone know much about them ? Swedish BTLs ..... never heard of 'em 'til now ...... not a bad looking motor
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400 donkeys, 300 mile range and £47k for the all electric ...... has a bit of a modern mustang look about it .... and no I ain't contemplating one :rolleyes:
Something to do with Volvo?
Volvo always offered a polestar mod as option.
 
Powerfab

Powerfab

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Tripped over this mob yesterday ......
Polestar – Electric cars | Polestar UK
anyone know much about them ? Swedish BTLs ..... never heard of 'em 'til now ...... not a bad looking motor
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400 donkeys, 300 mile range and £47k for the all electric ...... has a bit of a modern mustang look about it .... and no I ain't contemplating one :rolleyes:

Produced by Volvo under its Polestar sub-brand. Volvo is now owned by Geely and the cars manufactured in Luqiao, China, which already produces Volvo XC40, which shares the same CMA platform

According to the car reviews, it's considered to be one of the best electric cars out there, some pundits rating it higher than a Tesla for driver appeal, although Tesla still has the edge on technology.

Volvo / Polestar is certainly the biggest mainstream proponent of electric cars. They've promised to phase out all ICE's from their range and be fully electric only by 2040.
 
V8Druid

V8Druid

do it as well as you can,but learn to do it better
Yes, the guy that is designing the diagnostic system is a very good friend of mine.

I didn't think they were ready to launch yet?
got a 2021 price up on their website Aiden ...
 
Lancs Lad

Lancs Lad

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Can't quite picture it parked up in the druids museum ...but guess it'll grow on us.
Charge it off the Genny?👌
 
pettsy

pettsy

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Been trying to find a vid I say the other day. An electric smart car where they’d got a Honda genny strapped to a roof rack 🤣
 
V8Druid

V8Druid

do it as well as you can,but learn to do it better
interesting article ...... particularly the bit about car body panels being developed as super capacitors for energy storage instead of batteries :unsure:
couldn't make it link sadly

"Norman Skinner
Studied Electrical Engineering (Graduated 1968)

How are capacitors better than batteries?
How are capacitors better than batteries?
Let us answer as though the question was “How are capacitors better than rechargeable batteries”.
At the present time batteries and supercapacitors are inversely equal in their capabilities. The strengths of one technology is the weakness in the other.
Some answers here say that capacitors, super or otherwise cannot be used as a voltage source. This is correct. But like a rechargeable battery, capacitors can be used for energy storage. Many reputable commercial companies are selling the bundled supercapacitor as an energy storage device just like rechargeable batteries. Here are some of them:
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Photo from Maxwell.
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Photo from Eaton.
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Photo from Skelton.
Where the supercapacitor is better than a rechargeable battery is the following.
The supercapacitors have very fast charging times. Typically, 1 to 10 seconds compared to 10 to 60 minutes for a cell phone battery.
The recharge cycles of supercapacitors are typically 1 000 000 cycles whereas rechargeable Lithium-ion batteries max out at 1 000 recharge cycles. That is 1 000 times better.
Life time of supercapacitors is 10 to 15 years where as rechargeable lithium-ion batteries last 5 to 10 years. (never personally had a cell phone of laptop battery last more than 5 years)
In terms of specific power supercapacitors can discharge their stored capacity almost instantaneously and deliver specific power up to 10 000 Watts per kilogram. Lithium-ion batteries are at a maximum 3000 watts per kilogram.
Supercapacitors are also safer than Lithium-ion batteries (current technology, may change with future developments) as they cannot be overcharged and explode. Rechargeable batteries are prone to gassing, heating up (catch on fire) and exploding when overcharged.
Where the supercapacitor is worse than rechargeable battery is the following.
Specific energy for a supercapacitor is an average of 10 milliwatt hours per gram whereas lithium-ion has up to 300 milliwatt hours per gram.
Energy per unit volume is not good in a supercapacitor at about 15 watt hours per litre whereas a lithium-ion battery has 1200 watt hours per litre. A supercapacitor to power your smart phone would have to be 50 mm (about 2 inches) thick.
Cost is a real issue when thinking about supercapacitors. Supercapacitor cost is around $20-00 per watt whereas batteries come in about $1-00 per watt. Research is focussed in bringing down the manufacturing costs.
Another disadvantage of the supercapacitor is the severe voltage decreases as the charge diminishes. Batteries also have a voltage decrease but it is minor by comparison. Here is what happens to the voltage in both devices:
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Charge-discharge voltage curves, by Elcap, via Wikimedia commons.
Here is a comparison chart of the various supercapacitor technologies, normal capacitors and lithium-ion batteries:
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The supercapacitor has been used as a battery for a very long time. Since 1971 we have been using supercapacitors as the power source for maintaining computer memory. If fact the development of the supercapacitor has a long history dating back to the 1950s. In 1957 a patent was registered for an extremely high capacitance device, long before the word supercapacitor was known. Here is a time line of the development of the supercapacitor.
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Just imagine if the graphene supercapacitor becomes a commercially viable technology. It has been proven as a concept and has been patented by the University of Central Florida. We could have a fully electric vehicle with the source of all the power for the vehicle built into the body panels. No large battery compartments. A 500 mile travel distance between recharges. Recharge time of 5 minutes. Oh wow, quicker than a petrol refill.
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Photo from UCF
In conclusion.
The supercapacitor is better in some respects to the conventional rechargeable battery and it also has some serious disadvantages. As the supercapacitor develops it will become even better. The future of energy storage (the largest problem for renewable energy) may well be solved by the renewed development of the supercapacitor. It is already being used in major energy reserves and is being tested by Long Island Rail Road as an alternative to spinning flywheels.
Hope this answers the question.
Regards
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Lancs Lad

Lancs Lad

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Interesting stuff ..I've been playing with this lately : 3.5 KVA . Runs core drill no worries and grinder.
I'm not into the whole electric green washing virtue signalling crap...but believe in stuff that works...this is one...very impressed. The tech is deffo there. But...one major issue....it's £2.5k🙉😳
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V8Druid

V8Druid

do it as well as you can,but learn to do it better
Interesting stuff ..I've been playing with this lately : 3.5 KVA . Runs core drill no worries and grinder.
I'm not into the whole electric green washing virtue signalling crap...but believe in stuff that works...this is one...very impressed. The tech is deffo there. But...one major issue....it's £2.5k🙉😳
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's what i paid for my 32KVA 3ph genny, with 168 hrs on it ...... how many drills you wanna run ?? :giggle: .... yeh i know .. can't compare, but I know what i'd rather have or run
what sort of plug is that and how heavy is it ??
 
Lancs Lad

Lancs Lad

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's what i paid for my 32KVA 3ph genny, with 168 hrs on it ...... how many drills you wanna run ?? :giggle: .... yeh i know .. can't compare, but I know what i'd rather have or run
what sort of plug is that and how heavy is it ??
13a standard, 16kg...see what I mean ..it's just so handy ...
Was using it more as example as that the tech is getting there 🤓
 
Lancs Lad

Lancs Lad

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interesting article ...... particularly the bit about car body panels being developed as super capacitors for energy storage instead of batteries :unsure:
couldn't make it link sadly

"Norman Skinner
Studied Electrical Engineering (Graduated 1968)

How are capacitors better than batteries?
How are capacitors better than batteries?
Let us answer as though the question was “How are capacitors better than rechargeable batteries”.
At the present time batteries and supercapacitors are inversely equal in their capabilities. The strengths of one technology is the weakness in the other.
Some answers here say that capacitors, super or otherwise cannot be used as a voltage source. This is correct. But like a rechargeable battery, capacitors can be used for energy storage. Many reputable commercial companies are selling the bundled supercapacitor as an energy storage device just like rechargeable batteries. Here are some of them:
View attachment 25229
Photo from Maxwell.
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Photo from Eaton.
View attachment 25231
Photo from Skelton.
Where the supercapacitor is better than a rechargeable battery is the following.
The supercapacitors have very fast charging times. Typically, 1 to 10 seconds compared to 10 to 60 minutes for a cell phone battery.
The recharge cycles of supercapacitors are typically 1 000 000 cycles whereas rechargeable Lithium-ion batteries max out at 1 000 recharge cycles. That is 1 000 times better.
Life time of supercapacitors is 10 to 15 years where as rechargeable lithium-ion batteries last 5 to 10 years. (never personally had a cell phone of laptop battery last more than 5 years)
In terms of specific power supercapacitors can discharge their stored capacity almost instantaneously and deliver specific power up to 10 000 Watts per kilogram. Lithium-ion batteries are at a maximum 3000 watts per kilogram.
Supercapacitors are also safer than Lithium-ion batteries (current technology, may change with future developments) as they cannot be overcharged and explode. Rechargeable batteries are prone to gassing, heating up (catch on fire) and exploding when overcharged.
Where the supercapacitor is worse than rechargeable battery is the following.
Specific energy for a supercapacitor is an average of 10 milliwatt hours per gram whereas lithium-ion has up to 300 milliwatt hours per gram.
Energy per unit volume is not good in a supercapacitor at about 15 watt hours per litre whereas a lithium-ion battery has 1200 watt hours per litre. A supercapacitor to power your smart phone would have to be 50 mm (about 2 inches) thick.
Cost is a real issue when thinking about supercapacitors. Supercapacitor cost is around $20-00 per watt whereas batteries come in about $1-00 per watt. Research is focussed in bringing down the manufacturing costs.
Another disadvantage of the supercapacitor is the severe voltage decreases as the charge diminishes. Batteries also have a voltage decrease but it is minor by comparison. Here is what happens to the voltage in both devices:
View attachment 25232
Charge-discharge voltage curves, by Elcap, via Wikimedia commons.
Here is a comparison chart of the various supercapacitor technologies, normal capacitors and lithium-ion batteries:
View attachment 25233
The supercapacitor has been used as a battery for a very long time. Since 1971 we have been using supercapacitors as the power source for maintaining computer memory. If fact the development of the supercapacitor has a long history dating back to the 1950s. In 1957 a patent was registered for an extremely high capacitance device, long before the word supercapacitor was known. Here is a time line of the development of the supercapacitor.
View attachment 25234
Just imagine if the graphene supercapacitor becomes a commercially viable technology. It has been proven as a concept and has been patented by the University of Central Florida. We could have a fully electric vehicle with the source of all the power for the vehicle built into the body panels. No large battery compartments. A 500 mile travel distance between recharges. Recharge time of 5 minutes. Oh wow, quicker than a petrol refill.
View attachment 25235
Photo from UCF
In conclusion.
The supercapacitor is better in some respects to the conventional rechargeable battery and it also has some serious disadvantages. As the supercapacitor develops it will become even better. The future of energy storage (the largest problem for renewable energy) may well be solved by the renewed development of the supercapacitor. It is already being used in major energy reserves and is being tested by Long Island Rail Road as an alternative to spinning flywheels.
Hope this answers the question.
Regards
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In depth ..🥸 but interesting stuff!👍 All hinges around storage...
DNOs now stating that if your breakers add to more than 60amp...you need to notify them...so two ring mains...7kw car charger ..heat pump..😂 gone need more substations lads
 
JD450A

JD450A

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In depth ..🥸 but interesting stuff!👍 All hinges around storage...
DNOs now stating that if your breakers add to more than 60amp...you need to notify them...so two ring mains...7kw car charger ..heat pump..😂 gone need more substations lads

Anyone that thinks electrification is going to be a lasting solution has been smoking pot.

Have had the discussions R.E household storage batteries.... ATM they can be used to earn money if your smart (buy electric when there is negative demand and use it during peak) with some suppliers even paying people to take excess grid power....... But it won't last
 
Cyberprog

Cyberprog

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Anyone that thinks electrification is going to be a lasting solution has been smoking pot.

Have had the discussions R.E household storage batteries.... ATM they can be used to earn money if your smart (buy electric when there is negative demand and use it during peak) with some suppliers even paying people to take excess grid power....... But it won't last
Those with solar are onto a good thing though.
 
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