Hi everyone, been lurking a while

Storrsy

Storrsy

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Keep an eye on the classifieds! There may be a TB216 on it shortly, just paid the finance off on it. 2018, Cab, spotless and 400hrs.
 
doobin

doobin

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Used Sunward prices are notable lower on Mascus etc
I've had a price on a new Bobcat E17, stock due in before year end.
£15.2k plus vat with the 0% finance.
That works out a few grand cheaper than either the TB216 or KX016

Anybody on here use one?
Had a price on the E19 too and specs look very similar, different arm geometry and hydraulic pump but same engine, tracks etc.
So would appreciate opinions on either.

Yeah agreed prices of second hand are sky high at the minute, which was great for selling the Hanix. Doubled my money on it in a year.

Cheers,
Ash
E19 is variable pumps, which is a must these days. Must manufacturers have a ‘hire special’ 1.5t but for owner op it has to be variable pumps rather than gear pumps imho.

E19 basic canopy was I think £16750

they’d better have stock in soon, my special order e19 should be on the boat!
 
Storrsy

Storrsy

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Used Sunward prices are notable lower on Mascus etc

E19 is variable pumps, which is a must these days. Must manufacturers have a ‘hire special’ 1.5t but for owner op it has to be variable pumps rather than gear pumps imho.

E19 basic canopy was I think £16750

they’d better have stock in soon, my special order e19 should be on the boat!
What’s so good about variable over gear pumps?
 
doobin

doobin

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What’s so good about variable over gear pumps?
Better flow sharing, smoother operations, not having to rev the nuts off it to move fast enough on all functions so can perform repetitive work like grab sorting on lower revs. Fuel savings. More pressure, flow and power.
It’s not just the pumps. The cheapest hire special models will be lacking in other ways too such as break out force and tracking force. Not worth it for an owner op imho.
 
GazCro

GazCro

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Better flow sharing, smoother operations, not having to rev the nuts off it to move fast enough on all functions so can perform repetitive work like grab sorting on lower revs. Fuel savings. More pressure, flow and power.
It’s not just the pumps. The cheapest hire special models will be lacking in other ways too such as break out force and tracking force. Not worth it for an owner op imho.
It's not the full picture mind. Whilst I'm not knocking what doob says about variable pumps there's a lot more to a good hydraulic system than just the pump. There not as uncommon as you may think either, I'd reckon there's only a few bottom spec machines on the market without them.
 
V8Druid

V8Druid

do it as well as you can,but learn to do it better
so ..... come on then .... who's gonna be the first proud owner of a new Sunward ..... and beat the inevitable price hike, when they establish them selves
what was the guy in Carmarthen flogging from ying tong land ... can't recall the name of 'em .... not that bloody cheap though
 
V8Druid

V8Druid

do it as well as you can,but learn to do it better
that will be carter,md plant hire
that's the one Mart ... just found him on Fleabay ........ must be a midget driving this if it's a 0.8t ... £5,995.00 +VAT
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V8Druid

V8Druid

do it as well as you can,but learn to do it better
and if this is how he spells ... God help anyone expecting quality service


" NOW IN ...THE NEW CARTER CT 08 MICRO
08 TON DIGGER THIS THE CARTER RANGE IS QULITY POWDER COATED PAINT WORK HEAVY DUTY HYDROLIC PUMP AND ENGINE FULL SOUND PROOF AND INSILATED UNDER THE BONNET THIS IS NOT LIKE ALL THE ORTHER NEW CHEAPER MICRO ON THE MARKET CARTER IS A BRAND ON ITS OWN AND IS GETTING KNOWN AS A WELL MADE MACHINES MADE TO LAST SIMPLE BUT EFECTIVE
carter with quality branded back up
dealer ships around the UK
THE PRICE IS £5995 PLUS VAT
PLEASE CALL 07919203185 WE CAN HELP WITH SHIPPING AT COST

ALL CT O8 COME WITH A QUICK HITCH GENUINE CE CERTIFICATE AND A HYDRAOLIC SAFTY LOCK "
:oops::oops:
 
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mart1602

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hes meant to be a sound bloke to deal with ,maybe not the best academic but does sell a lot of stuff and full parts backup ,im getting a bit interested in that sunward deal for something to drag around to the odd job and have at home for odd jobs ,dont usually bring the big machine home if i can help it
 
V8Druid

V8Druid

do it as well as you can,but learn to do it better
and if this is how he spells ... God help anyone expecting quality service


" NOW IN ...THE NEW CARTER CT 08 MICRO
08 TON DIGGER THIS THE CARTER RANGE IS QULITY POWDER COATED PAINT WORK HEAVY DUTY HYDROLIC PUMP AND ENGINE FULL SOUND PROOF AND INSILATED UNDER THE BONNET THIS IS NOT LIKE ALL THE ORTHER NEW CHEAPER MICRO ON THE MARKET CARTER IS A BRAND ON ITS OWN AND IS GETTING KNOWN AS A WELL MADE MACHINES MADE TO LAST SIMPLE BUT EFECTIVE
carter with quality branded back up
dealer ships around the UK
THE PRICE IS £5995 PLUS VAT
PLEASE CALL 07919203185 WE CAN HELP WITH SHIPPING AT COST


ALL CT O8 COME WITH A QUICK HITCH GENUINE CE CERTIFICATE AND A HYDRAOLIC SAFTY LOCK "
:oops::oops:
hes meant to be a sound bloke to deal with ,maybe not the best academic but does sell a lot of stuff and full parts backup ,im getting a bit interested in that sunward deal for something to drag around to the odd job and have at home for odd jobs ,dont usually bring the big machine home if i can help it
Cheers Martyn ... good to hear some local input on the subject ... not derogating the man himself, just that it really doesn't look great when your ad. is so poor .. he'd be better off to use spell checker, if not get some one to just cast an eye over it. Professionalism counts when trying to sell high value goods and could well be costing him sales TBH
on the face of it they don't look too bad a machine ... but then we can't trust pix, eh !! he does seem more than happy for test drives though

as for the Sunward ... every one starts off somewhere .. Doosan, Hyundai, etc. .... none had any name at all to start did they ? experiences establish reputations .. good and bad :rolleyes:
 
Storrsy

Storrsy

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It’s taking that first leap isn’t it- no one wants to be the guinea pig! What would put me off Sunward at the moment would be lack of local backup. Even if the machine itself was very good. On their website though it does look a bit of a mix match. Some of their models (2t And conventional Swing 2.5t) look really dated, kind of like the older Takeuchis in Blue. Whereas their zero tail 2.5t looks a nice machine- far more up to date.
 
Storrsy

Storrsy

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Perhaps I wouldn’t mind taking a punt on one in the sub 2 ton category as it wouldn’t be my bread and butter machine. There is a 2004 2.5t on their Facebook page which has supposedly done 30,000 hrs! I’d be happy with that- machine for life!
 
CPS

CPS

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Cheers Martyn ... good to hear some local input on the subject ... not derogating the man himself, just that it really doesn't look great when your ad. is so poor .. he'd be better off to use spell checker, if not get some one to just cast an eye over it. Professionalism counts when trying to sell high value goods and could well be costing him sales TBH
on the face of it they don't look too bad a machine ... but then we can't trust pix, eh !! he does seem more than happy for test drives though

as for the Sunward ... every one starts off somewhere .. Doosan, Hyundai, etc. .... none had any name at all to start did they ? experiences establish reputations .. good and bad :rolleyes:
I would say judging by were he is from that English isn't his first language 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿
 
V8Druid

V8Druid

do it as well as you can,but learn to do it better
I would say judging by were he is from that English isn't his first language 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿
even more reason to use spell checker or get it eyeballed ...... 's like the ying tongs .... for God's sakes get someone who speaks the language to translate/write their blurb .... mate of mine is married to a Swedish girl and she used to make serious money translating tech manuals, in both directions ... having a technically minded husband made a huge difference to her abilities
 
JD450A

JD450A

Feral as Fk 🐾
Issue with a Sunward, Carter, Sany, Yingting Tong or whatever is simple.

They have dealers now.... but when they no longer have dealers the Pain begins.

The Chinese stuff is going through the same phases as the Korean and Jap Stuff before it. Plucky new dealers taking a mantle and selling machines. Boom or Bust.

Hyundai, Daewoo, Samsung for the Koreans. Hitachi, Kobelco, Takeuchi, Kubota and Yanmar for the Japs..... What's not remembered is the ones that fell by the wayside.
 
Stubota86

Stubota86

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Sunward stuff does look ok on paper residual is yet to be tested but if the dogger stands the test of time you could like revert to 50 percent 3-4 years imo

Apparently they offer guaranteed buy back for 3 years on new Sunward - not sure at what rate but maybe an attempt to keep resale prices up? 2.5t is 21k, ZTS version 23k plus vat
 
JD450A

JD450A

Feral as Fk 🐾
Apparently they offer guaranteed buy back for 3 years on new Sunward - not sure at what rate but maybe an attempt to keep resale prices up? 2.5t is 21k, ZTS version 23k plus vat
That's fine until the dealer goes pop..... only time will dictate that.
 
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mart1602

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one thing that the less known brands are all doing now is useing well known branded parts ,alibaba would be a good source for parts if the dealers went pop which is ok if its not a front line machine and you can wait a few weeks
 
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